I looked at the Racor bowl some more and did not see any bubbles when Dave ran the fuel pump. As several pointed out it is a factory setup for the fuel pickup tube to be part of the tank. Check out all the special deals from our podcast sponsors! If someone elseon board has better close-up vision or more sensitive fingers for finding imperfections, get them involved. The pickup tube was permanently installed (we called the tank manufacturer to confirm this) so we did not remove it to check it for blockages or cracks. Looking at our fuel hoses, it seemed impossible that there was a collapsed or kinked hose. Just as we got into the big ship channel there, we had some RPM dips. Small cracks are tough to find, but definitely cause issues that are easy to notice lol. Thanks. Took another look, and if you remove the sender you may be able to remove the nut holding the bulkhead fitting in place, if not you may be able to file or chisel off What is left of the top and push it down and pull it out. I think that would have been and easier way to do it. Thanks for the photo, I literally ran into this issue this week trying to diagnose the same exact problem. . After the fuel pump, the fuel is under pressure and will seep out any unsealed areas as a fuel leak. The e-mailer said the dealer had already replaced the fuel line from the tank to the fuel filter, but no mention was made of the water-separating filter. I had the same issue. Our fuel polishing made no difference. Take my free mini-course: Filed Under: Boat Work Tagged With: Boat Projects - Repairs & Upgrades, DIY Tips, Overcoming, Underway. Now you can inspect the pick-up for any trash.
LDWF agents investigating fatal boatin Cobia move in close to Port Fourchon during September. Good article, recently just went through a weird fuel leak myself. Thats also a problem, but wont produce the symptoms we had of an engine losing RPMs and dying. Everyone we talked to and all the books we read agreed that the basic problem was fuel starvation. Sunflowers are literally dope for doves. Thats a problem with a lot of boats with baffled tanks. We have a dirty fuel issue in the port tank. If possible, remove the fuel line from the pick-up tube, and then lift the pick-up tube out of the tank. This is one of the easiest tests that anyone can run whenever they feel their engine is having a fuel-supply problem. Replaced fuel line old one was pinched and look collapsed. Then the ups and downs would start again. Bulkhead Fitting Specification/Dimension: 2008 196 Bay Reef, Garmin 740s, M-K Riptide SP70 with iPilot, Engines, Electronics, Wiring and Hydraulics, http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/e ccfitt.php, https://agrimart.net/3-8-stainless-stee oC2Kzw_wcB, http://www.banjovalves.com/specs/TF038SS.pdf. West Marine will email you when your order ships from the vendor. Not all mechanical problems are the result of a failed engine. He tried to tighten every hose clamp.
Run the engine fast, look for air bubbles in the areas of line. Expedited shipping is not available. On the water, the dealer was able to duplicate the problem.
Your link has been automatically embedded. Restore formatting, The anti-siphon seems OK but I'll replace it anyway.
. Along the way, we sold pretty much everything we owned (twice! Another major cause of fire are ill maintained vessels electrical systems. You can change your cookie settings through your browser. I verify with a small wire as suggested. been sitting in storage - having trouble getting gas tank cover off - wanting to empty old gas - any tips for removing metal gas tank cover? Is there any additive I can add at this point to help after blowing whatever back in tank. This valve is there as a safety in case the fuel line should become cut or broken, it will not siphon gas into the bilge of the boat.
[], Its not only important to wear a life jacket, but to make sure it is functioning properly, especially if it is self-inflating. This is where the fuel is being sucked and air can be sucked in anywhere that isnt tightly sealed off. Were now declaring the problem solved. If everything around you looks true, you checked more than once, then the problem is in any earlier assumption.
I did clean up the anti-siphon valve and will replace it once the boat is out of the water and will blow out the tube to clear any obstruction in the tube. Hopefully that solution works out in the long run, as it appears it will. I will say that the Cummins folks here in Cincinnati (Cummins West Chester) were awesome, going from diagnosis to repaired in 4 days, and the Tech (Shane) even re-sprayed the area with Cummins White paint so it looks brand new. Your email address will not be published. I had the same problem with engine rpm and air leak onto the fuel. Thus we decided to concentrate on an air leak. Glad yours is still running, cant wait to get cruising myself and get out there to help people with their engine problems so they can get going and enjoy their time faster. I chased a fuel delivery problem from Mobile all the way to Nassau. Bleed it at the injector pump and it runs fine until the next time I push it over 2000. That is a very nice example of what this forum is about. Check all fittings and connections . It is possible for this filter to develop a small pinhole in the outer casing usually caused by rust. They said yes, so we bought two new valves. This also has the advantage of allowing zoom. All other maintenance is equally important and if youre using Racor fill them up. Suggestions please?
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If all else fails I can get another fitting an install it in the other hole, at least that is what I think that other fitting is. Will also get a 5 -6 gal can which is easy for me to drop fuel line in and run from. The engine failed more and more frequently. Wed already ruled out a crack in the pickup tube in the tank. Or at least the way to start the answer. I also recall reading where someone put a longish metal tube onto a hose attached to a pump, and kept sucking out the bottom of the tanks, periodically adding more (filtered) fuel to stir up the crud on the bottom enough that it would get sucked up. Perseverance pays off. Alright so I went off the grid for a bit and finally got this fixed (hopefully). Also check closely the length of the pick-up tube. The tube had a square cut at the bottom and fuel could not get into the tube fast enough to supply the engine. No problem at all.
After owning 11 boats, one thing I learned is if there is a hint of fuel problems I replace all the lines. If you do not receive an email contact Customer Service.
I had this happen on my boat.
We thought we had a fuel blockage, but after reading this rushed to check our racor for bubbles. . It certainly is a relief to figure these kind of things out after so long a time.
This eliminated the entire fuel tank, fuel pick-up, fuel hose and water-separating system from the engine.
Question where do you purchase parts. You must log in or register to reply here. The engine would run fine, then lose RPMs . Bass bite, yellow jackets sting and George and I go fishing again, Unfortunately, not all outdoor stories are a pleasure for us to write. I KNOW you guys must be relieved!! Just wondering if someone can walk me thru how to remove pickup tube from my gas tank. Clear fuel lines are available for gasoline engines and diesel does not seem to affect the lines for short term, investigative use. Good for you! I had the very same issues of fuel starvation and the problem was the Racor assembly. Of course the engine dies in the worst and waviest conditions when the crud gets stirred up. I did use a remote tank and the engine ran better that is why I took off the 90 in the first place. Hopefully it is better now guess we will see at the ozarks. For seeing what is going on in really hard to get to places, we use a USB web cam and watch via the lap top screen. . It was probably time anyway and it seemed to make more sense to just do it and not go line by line looking for the problem. No improvement. If there is a leak the engine will speed up. To sell our house this summer so we can cruise full time . This time the engine would run well up to 2,500 rpm, but if he tried to go above that speed, it would sputter and kill. Runs for 15mins and loses RPM then later dies. It really doesnt take any special skills, just patience.
Dave again pumped all the fuel out of the tank and pulled it.
When we were struggling with a hard to diagnose fuel problem on our new-to-us boat, I read this carefully. How did I find it? How do we get the tank clean when it has baffles trapping the last bits of crude?. We then pumped all the diesel out of one tank, pulled the tank out and cleaned the inside of it, reinstalled it, then ran the fuel back into it through a Baja filter (no significant water or crud). In changing the valves, Dave had to remove our dual Racor assembly. The e-mail continued by stating that the boat was approximately 15 years old, and the owner thought there may have been trash in the tank that was sucked up into the pick-up tube and caused a restricted fuel flow. At this point, the boat captain tried an experiment. with the rest of us boaters, and has many good tips and explanations. For this trip will just blow out and fill tank. The lessons that we took away from finding this fuel problem: Wondering how much of what foods to take on your next trip? I bypassed it putting a $6 outboard plastic filter inline between the input and output hoses. Both tank access point are the same. [More] How to Deal with Problems, Is your boat teak looking dirty and dingy?
Not sure if Id use a hair dryer around gas find a non-sparky way to heat it.). All he needs to do now is trace down that problem and make the necessary corrections.
It kinda looks like that pickup threads into the tank (from the images of similar pickups).
In this case stainless steel bulkhead fittings and stainless steel pickup tubes. EM89, Engineered Materials' one component, room temperature curing, thixotropic, water clear adhesive for use on hard to bond substrates.
We toasted finally tracking the problem down.
In the end, I drained all the fuel out of the lines and connected a bicycle pump to the system. And as we started up the engine to come back in the harbor, it died. If this is happening, just replace the anti-siphon valve. Sometimes, its someone who isnt familiar with the system who says is this supposed to be like this?. Well that's what I thought I was doing, there was no tube that came out with the 90 degree fitting. JavaScript is disabled. I installed a, Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.8 Beta 1, Seamanship, Navigation & Boat Handling, Rules of the Road, Regulations, & Red Tape.
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